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JT
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PHILA
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As a former soldier, though only combat support, who briefly trained with some Rangers I have nothing but the utmost respect for their professionalism and desication. However, I think the senior leadership of Special Ops has been too anxious to find jobs for them and other elite units.
These missions can go out of control and suck in other forces. This tendency goes back to at least WWII. I would especially like to hear responses to this from Vietnam Vets with any remembrances of such operations. Thanks for a great and important series.
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Thanks.
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former infantryman
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arlington, va
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Secret Admirer: I'm sorry that I misjudged you ... have read your comments in the forum section. Those are the kinds of things that need to be told. Its a good explanation of the problems encountered by the "Golden Dragons" as they fought their way to the crash site. I'm looking forward to more from you.
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former infantryman
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arlington, va
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JT, I don't really think there is a Vietnam comparison, unless you consider the use of Marine force recon units at times. Long range patrol units and their successors, ranger companies, sometimes were misused as regular units, but in general, they were not.
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thomas,ken
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columbus,ga
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mark, here in s. fla visiting my dad for holidays. The
Columbus Ledger Enquierer had me come in and make additions
to CHptr 22. I wrote in some things you might find
interesting.They were supposed to forward it to you. I'll be
back at 706 324 3723 Mon. 28 Dec. Lets talk please. Note: I
never broke down sobbing in the street. No time for that.
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Mark Bowden
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I'll call you Monday, Ken.
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Peter Richard
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The primary mission of U.S. Army Rangers is Airfield Seizures not manhunting. Have any changes been made to Special Operations Operating Procedure to ensure that the Rangers, Delta Force and SEALS are assigned missions for which they are trained for?
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Mark Bowden
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Maybe one of the more knowledgeable folks can help you with this.
MB
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Barbara
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Coupeville, WA
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I teach high school freshmen, and would like to be able to
show Blackhawk Down as a way to integrate a World Cultures
history class with my English class. The film with this web
site (our lab's on-line) ought to make for some lively
discussions. Would you be willing to respond to 15 year
olds as well? Has PBS set a date yet?
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Mark Bowden
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I'm flattered, Barbara, and I would be happy to answer your students' questions. So far no national date. Check in with the film's producer, chris.mills@phillynews.com. The entire package, story, film and CD-ROM are for sale on this Web site now, for $24. If you want, perhaps we could set up a chat. Contact Philly Online editor Jen Musser at 215-854-4474, or jmusser@phillynews.com.
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J. Bullinger
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Fort Rucker, AL
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Mark, Did you ever get a chance to interview Col. Tom E. Matthews, Commander of 1st Bn, 160th SOAR, on his role or his account of what happened? How about Matthews' Bn S3 Operations officer LtCol. Dave Lawrence? These two were a key part of the SOAR leadership in Somalia. Thanks, Jim
jbulling@ala.net
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Mark Bowden
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I would like to speak with Col. Matthews, and did speak briefly with his wife. If you could help arrange an interview with him and/or Col. Lawrence, I would appreciate it.
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mark
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where can I start to research all this info?
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Mark Bowden
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This story would probably be a good place to start. Ambassador Robert Oakley wrote a good book about the whole Somalia intervention, entitled "Somalia and Operation Restore Hope." Michael Marin's book "The Road to Hell" gives some excellent insight into how Somalia got the way it is today. There are chapters on this incident in Col. David Hackworth's "Hazardous Duty" and Samuel Bolger's "Savage Peace," the former highly opinionated but well-informed and the latter a good concise summary military overview. There is an article by Capt. Charles P. Ferry in the Sept-Oct. issue of Infantry Magazine detailing the experiences of Alpha Rifle Co. of the 2-14th of the 10th Mt. Division. Some of the accounts of officers in the battle are on file at the USAIS Library, Ft. Benning, GA. There was a fine account of the battle written soon afterwards by Rick Atkinson of the Washington Post, and a series by Patrick Sloyan in Newsday (1994, I think) detailing the policy issues around the battle. Elizabeth Drew's "On the Edge" includes the best accounts I've seen of how the incident was handled at the White House.
The next stop would be going, as I have, to primary sources, interviewing those involved.
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John
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Mark,
I have never heard a shot fired in anger, but your account brought home to me the brutal reality of that battle. Good writers have that gift. Stephen Crane was able to do it, and now so have you. Congratulations.
One final note. Wasn't the battle fought on the same day as the attack on the Russian "White House." I distinctly remember CNN's cameras focused on tanks taking pot shots at the Russian parliement; the battle in Mog was out of sight and hence out of mind - for a while. Check the dates.
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Thanks, John. You are right about the attempted Russian coup. Elizabeth Drew's "On the Edge" recounts how Somalia came crowding in on an already busy foreign policy schedule.
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gordon
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To Peter Richard: Your right about airfield seizures.
However, the key word here is main or primary. The regiments
mission is "to plan and conduct special military operations
in support of the policies and objectives of the United
States." This has been our mission since our activation in
1974. Included in this are many types of special operations
which can support the policies and objectives of U.S.
national interests. Our requirement to conduct all types of
special operations remains unchanged, however, as with all
the tier units we have our forte...this remains airfield
siezures. Hopefully this answers your question.
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DTD
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It goes like this Mark, sure we had a few weak links in our
company, but I'll tell you what SO DID DELTA and the 10 mtn.
every unit has its people that slip threw the crack. As for
sfordie you piece of SHIT i would give every thing I have to
get a hold of you and go to work on you, you scum bag. Whats
your job anyway? I apolgize to everyone for my outburst but
people like sfordie should keep his mouth shut or someone
may just SHUT it for him permantly. THANK YOU RLTW!!!
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JCB
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Cincinnati, OH
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DTD: Good to hear you sound off. Maybe SFORDIE is that guy
who asked you "Is that REALLY Delta in the hangar?" Don't
worry about the guy - must have be a slow night at the
Reception Station CQ desk. I'm sure we'll be hearing from
other 'warriors'in the months to come.
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D.M. Kennedy
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Thousand Oaks CA
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We need to hear more from the "LNO from TFR to COMCENT"(13)! In my opinion, he has the key to why this operation failed. The OPERATIONAL U.S. (vice Administrative or UN) Chain of Command is critical: direct from TFR to COMCENT to SECDEF
(via COMJCS). I'm left curious as to why COMUSCENTCOM (four-star General Hoar, the designated, responsible
warfighting CinC) apparently did not go the distance for his
people, slow-rolled the request from his field commander,
didn't fight for the resources his commander said he needed before the incident, ultimately let down both his soldiers
and his superiors (SecDef and POTUS), but was never held
accountable. Would the previous holder of the
CENTCOM billet have given up so easily, or allowed the civilian Secretary of Defense to take the blame for his Command's failure? Special Operations personnel are known for being phenomenally brave, but the downside is that they often underestimate their own vulnerability. Unit pride (so
evident in comments from your questioners) gets in the way of admitting that you might capability outside your own
unit, or might need help from another unit or service. This intense unit pride is both the streng
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Dave
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Cleveland, OH
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Mark - wonderful and informative series. Did you learn
much about the specific training the Rangers and Delta
received for this kind of urban snatch and grab raid? Will
you discuss the differences in the training received by
these forces in the book?
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Mark Bowden
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Thanks, Dave. There will be more about the training these units received in the book, and more about their differences overall. It helps explain how each saw its role on 10/3-4.
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Hunter
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Arizona
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Mark, really loved the story, Was reading it in Az Republic but they are doing a poor job editing it leaving out much of your story. Decided to look for this site(which they don't t ell you about!) and am glad I did, spent five hours this evening. Looking forward to the book
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Mark Bowden
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Thanks for your persistence. We have no control, unfortunately, over how other newspapers edit and present the story. But I'm flattered so many have picked it up and are running it, considering it numbers 30 parts or more.
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Jim C
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San Jose, CA
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Mark, I seem to remember mortars (60mm) being organic to Rangers. Short range, and don't work too well with helos flying around, true, but were they left behind during the deployment? If so, fear of 'collateral damage' in urban environment an issue, same-same as with AC 130? Thanks, and I look forward to reading your book.
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Mark Bowden
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As far as I know TFR did not use mortars. I suspect it was out of concern for collateral damage, which was an overriding issue throughout. I don't see how they would have helped much on 10/3-4, but that might be my own ignorance showing.
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Charlie
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Overseas
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Mark, A little extra background for you. In late 1991 the UN Development Programme announced that there was high potential for oil and nat'l gas reserves in N. Somalia. And in fact, one of the quieter missions of the early US forces there was extracting western oil exploration teams that were having problems with the locals out in the hinterlands. I'm not trying to paint a "blood for oil" picture, but these were the days just after the Gulf war and over-dependence on gulf oil was a hot issue. Obviously the existing Somali political situation wasn't cutting it; we needed a friendly gov't. Hence the US/UN nation building mission was not entitrely motivated by pure humanitarian causes. Maybe you could use this in the book to help answer some of the strategic "why's". Congrats on an excellent series. If it doesn't win a Pulitzer, the prize is rigged!
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Mark Bowden
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Thanks, Charlie. I could be wrong, but I don't believe oil had a thing to do with it. I think the nation-building effort grew out of an ambitious UN and an American administration that was eager (perhaps overeager) to help out.
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MARK
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WASH, DC
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Mark,
I really appreciate your thought provoking responses -- time spent on the answer is obvious with all your responses. As a warfighter "fighting a desk in DC," I look forwared every morning to follow the story and the Q&As. This is the best Professional Military Education going!!! I continue to pass along the internet address to everyone I know because this is a great effort to educate. Your effort will significantly contribute to the survival of those soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines who participate in future battles. I look forward to your book!!!!!! WELL DONE!!
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Mark Bowden
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Thank you.
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Big-D
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Savannah, GA
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MB, great story, after reading 'Mogidishu' your story tells it better from the soldiers view. Wasn't there, but some of my coworkers were and have good stories of thier own. Will the book have move of the events leading up to this night and also more about the Night Stalkers roles and missions? Also, are you going to release the show date when you find out? I will be checking in often to find out...NSDQ!!
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Mark Bowden
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Thanks. The book will tell more about the Nightstalkers' role on 10/3-4, but not much about previous missions. I have to leave some stories for you guys who really know what you're talking about. I promise we'll post the national air date as soon as we get it. You can order the videotape right now, along with a CD-ROM and series reprint, on this site or at 1-800-440-1470.
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MC
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Ft Bragg, NC
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In your intoduction and explanation of photos, you
incorrectly ID a Cobra as a type of Blackhawk helicopter.
The Cobra is a version of the Huey.
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Mark Bowden
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Thanks for pointing it out.
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Big-D
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Savannah, GA
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TO ZACH W: yes it is sad people have to die in combat, and some civilians who are unarmed, but did you read the story? These soldiers do what they have to do to survive, they serve the greatest country in the world, are are willing to die if necessary. They don't ask much, they go anywhere, anytime, and do what is asked. It must be nice to just sit back and pass judgement on these men from your lazyboy. These soldiers have to live with what they saw and did, they lost friends and killed other people. I thank them for doing this, and I am glad this country can depend on men like this and not have to rely on the beliefs of men like you.
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Big-D
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Savannah, GA
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TO ZACH W: continued. It is people like you that we as soldiers fight to protect. The people who call the police when needed, and then sue for brutality when they show up. Holier than thou hipocrates!! If you don't want the help, don't ask, if you don't like what our government does, leave. But don't put yourself above everyone else. Enjoy your freedom, and respect those who help to give it to you. They are unappreciated and don't ask for your approval, they just keep doing the job. Let them do it!!! NSDQ
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Big-D
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Savannah, GA
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MB, sorry, had to vent. That was for all the people who are always the 'victoms'. Your story was great, and i plan on buying the book when it comes out. Will pass on the website to all my coworkers and friends.
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Mark Bowden
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Thanks.
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lttonyk
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Bettendorf IA
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Been asked before, but I dont want to miss when this aires on national television. Has there been a date set?
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Mark Bowden
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No date yet, sorry. Everything slows down during holiday season. You can order the videotape now, with a series and reprint, at 1-800-440-1470, or on this Web site.
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Min
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Fort Benning, Georgia
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After reading your series of articles "Blackhwak Down" I
was completely overwhelmed with knowledge of what our
soldiers went through in Somalia. God Bless our Soldiers
and thank you again for a fantastic series. Please email me
at swankj@email.msn.com for information regarding CD-ROM,
books and audiotapes of this series. Thank you again.
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Mark Bowden
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You're welcome.
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Min
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Fort Benning, Georgia
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After reading your series of articles "Blackhwak Down" I
was completely overwhelmed with knowledge of what our
soldiers went through in Somalia. God Bless our Soldiers
and thank you again for a fantastic series. Please email me
at swankj@email.msn.com for information regarding CD-ROM,
books and audiotapes of this series. Thank you again.
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Michael
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Boise, Idaho
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MB- Just finished the story. A special thanks to all the
military people in this country who "stick it out there" so
the rest of America can enjoy their double skinny lattes. I
wish we had an administration who appreciated you as well.
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J. Jones
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Raleigh, NC
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Excellent job Mark. Your work has definitley helped me see
what our military goes through. I also praise your patience
with those eager to criticize. My question is who is Delta
John(Ft. Bragg)? He has excellent commentary in the Q&A? Is
he in "Blackhawk Down" and where at? I tried to find him in
Who's who. Please forgive me for coming in late on the story
and having hurriedly read it all. Superb job
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Mark Bowden
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Our friend Delta John has chosen to remain anonymous. He may be in the story. Thanks for the note, and I'm glad you liked the story.
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JPS
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BLOOMINGTON, MN
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My father sent me all of the chapters. The StarTribune didn't
mention a thing about the series. I was appalled by the per-
formance of the senior officers. Watching the battle on video
cameras!!! Were there any disciplinary actions taken? Sounds
like the army covered this one up, right up to chairman of JCS.
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Mark Bowden
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To my knowledge, there was no formal disciplinary action taken against anyone. There were, however, lots of decorations, more than for any single episode in recent American military history. A few soldiers who failed to perform were encouraged to leave elite units, and did.
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marka
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phoenix,AZ
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Mark,your story covers the ordeal of the brave Rangers as it richly deserves.If the multi-national rescue operation (without which the tragedy would have been many times worse) has a place in your account, you need to do some homework on the role of Malaysian and Pakistani soldiers.There is a lot they did,at the risk of their lives,to rescue men that were not their compatriots,that is not mentioned in your account.Some Rangers/10th Mountain veterans may like to comment?Most Malaysian or Pakistani soldiers dont own computers,nor have access to the internet,nor speak English.
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Mark Bowden
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Thanks, Marka. There will be more about the Malaysian soldiers in the book, the drivers and gunners on the APCs in the final rescue column, and a mention or two of the Pakistani tanks that went out with that column. I know many of the American soldiers remain deeply grateful for the selfless heroism of the Malaysians who risked their lives when "they didn't have a dog in the fight," as one officer put it. There have been stories about Malaysians being threatened with pistols to drive on (Tom Wolfe's fictional "Ambush and Ft. Bragg" includes such an account) but my research shows nearly all the Malaysians performed professionally, and what problems developed had to do with language barriers and conflicts between orders the drivers had received from their own commanders and what American commanders wanted them to do on the ground, not reluctance or cowardice.
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marka
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phoenix,AZ
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Mark,your story covers the ordeal of the brave Rangers as it richly deserves.If the multi-national rescue operation (without which the tragedy would have been many times worse) has a place in your account, you need to do some homework on the role of Malaysian and Pakistani soldiers.There is a lot they did,at the risk of their lives,to rescue men that were not their compatriots,that is not mentioned in your account.Some Rangers/10th Mountain veterans may like to comment?Most Malaysian or Pakistani soldiers dont own computers,nor have access to the internet,nor speak English.
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willie
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N.C
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No questions for Mark, but to fellow TF Ranger members it's good to read your comments and to see the heavy barrage returned back to those clueless individuals who fail to realize that from the Private on up to the command level, regardless of which unit, acts of heroism took place on Oct3 . We, not just TFR, but all members of the US Army lost 18 valuable soldiers and aviators on that day. It is for them that this book is written, not to build up our egos or to prove who's better. R.L.T.W.
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Mark
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Tucson
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Very, Very well done. One of the best pieces of
investigative journalism I have read in many years. Many
compliments to your web page designer, fine, fine work.
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Mark Bowden
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Thanks, and I agree with your assessment of the fine folks at Philly Online. True pioneers.
MB
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MC
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Ft Bragg, NC
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Before I am corrected, the Cobra is neither a "version" of
the Black Hawk nor the Huey (Bell UH-1). It would probably
be more correct to label it as a contemporary of the Huey.
Developed by Bell after the initial buildup in Vietnam, it
was built on a unique frame, but used many of the same parts
as a huey, e.g. engine and transmission. It was the first
helo built specifically as a gunship, unlike the armed A and
B model hueys used initially in this role, and deployed to
Vietnam around 1967 or 68.
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Mark Bowden
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Thanks.
MB
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Carl
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Falls Church, VA
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My compliments on "Blackhawk Down"... it's superb. I was
assigned to DIA during the Mogadishu operation. Without
going into detail, my experiences left me bitter. Yes, the
soldiers on the raid were brave, but the bottom line is that
the raid accomplished nothing and those that died lost their
lives for nothing. Okay, on with the back-slapping...
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Mark Bowden
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Thanks, Carl. I certainly understand the feelings of bitterness and pointlessness.
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D.M. Kennedy
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Thousand Oaks, CA
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Mark, sorry for running on in my last EMail regarding COMCENT accountability. Bottom line: you have given us a great piece that has set a standard and a path for future journalistic efforts. Like many others, I'm looking forward to your book.
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Mark Bowden
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Thanks.
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Col Pablo
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Pine Mtn, Ga
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Good Lord man. This is the best stuff since SLA Marshall. Is there a follow up to any punishment, UCMJ or not, for the people that planned and oversaw this trajedy of errors ie... CINC, Secdef, JCS, any other 0-8s, 0-7s, or 0-6s that killed some of Americas finest?
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Mark Bowden
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Thanks. There will be an epilogue that will bring all of the book's characters up to date.
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BlackBeard
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China Lake, Ca.
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Mark, I have never been moved so much by a newspaper story.
Pulitzer material to say the least. And your Web people are
to be congratulated too, this is the epitome of what the web
should do. I have a newfound respect for the men involved.
Interservice rivalry aside, great job and thanks to those
involved. From a former Submariner.
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Mark Bowden
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Thanks.
MB
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Terminator6
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On Block Leave
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Terminator5....Will write after I return home from
Leave....Some Gave All
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LTC Cliff Cloonan
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Ft. Bragg, NC
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I am Dean of the Joint Special Operations Medical Training
Center (JSOMTC) at Ft. Bragg. We use the TF Ranger raid as
a case study. I have previously been unable to access much
of the material you have in your article so I was surprised
to see it all in the article. I would very much like to
find out how I can get further info regarding casualties,
effectivess of body armor, effect of heat and dehydration,
treatment of wounds, long term outcome of wounded, etc... At
a minimum I would like to get permission to use all that is
on the Website as part of my medical case study for our Spec
Ops medics. I can be reached at work (910-396-0089/3517) or
at home (910-486-0801) or by e-mail at this e-mail address
or at my work e-mail address, cloonac@abraggb.soc.mil Any
assistance you can provide in making this case study a more
valuable learning experience for my students would be most
appreciated. Thanks
Cliff Cloonan, MD
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Mark Bowden
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I'll be in touch.
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Robert Pohlman
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Baltimore, Md. USA
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Can you repost the President's first words to the press concerning the deaths (read, needless deaths) of American troops in the initial action. No American soldier should ever be put in this type action again....But sadly when one looks at Congress and the Administration today there is little combat experience reflected !!!! And How do we stop it?!!
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Mark Bowden
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I'm afraid I don't have a transcript of the President's remarks. I'll try to get one for the book. Maybe somebody out there can answer this.
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Reggie
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Ypsilanti, MI
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How long will this story be available on this web site? I trully enjoy it and want to read every piece of it.
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Mark Bowden
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I'm told it will be up for as long as there is an Internet, so take your time. The book will be out in October. This series represents only about a third of the book.
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john gay
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santee, calif.
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just found your web site. good article, but there are some
inaccuracies regarding the Navy SEALS who participated in
the the Battle of Mog. let me know if you want me to help
your fix them if its not too late.
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Mark Bowden
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Boy, am I glad to hear from you, John, the man with the knife. Your account of the battle, typed and single-spaced, was the best of many written in the days immediately after the fight, and I leaned heavily on it for this account. I would be delighted to speak with you, and would very much appreciate any corrections. It's never too late to make a fix online, and you could make a big contribution to my account in the book. Unfortunately, all I see on this posting is your name. Could you telephone me at the Inquirer foreign desk (215-854-2400) and bear with the electronic maze until you reach me? Or email Jen, the online editor (jmusser@phillynews.com) with your phone number and she'll forward it to me. I'd be most grateful and I'll get back in touch pronto.
MB
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Philip Miano
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Norwalk, CT
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Mark-
Thank you for all your work in getting all of this out in the open. I was a Special Forces Medic in 5th group 84-86.
I went thru the SFQC with Earl Fillmore.I left the service to
go on to college and a civilian career. I was deeply touched whe I heard of Earls death,by chance, a year or so ago. Thank you for telling me how and when etc...
Can you tell me anything more concerning Earl?
If you need to reach me days I am at 203.840.5467
or email pmiano@reedexpo.com
Thank you.
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Mark Bowden
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I'll be in touch.
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Ken Kasprisin
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Carlisle, Pa
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Why weren't the U.S. APCs and ACEs in country used in the
rescue?
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Mark Bowden
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I don't believe there were any US APCs in Mogadishu, and I'm afraid I don't know what ACEs are.
MB
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Kevin C.
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Phila, Pa.
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Mark, What a great series. I would stay up late as each new
chapter was put on-line the previous evening than the
morning paper. Just one question, were all the bodies of the
KIAs returned or did they have to be negotiated for?
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Mark Bowden
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Thanks, Kevin. All the bodies were accounted for, through a process that involved both guile and negotiation, as I understand it. I don't know the details.
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S. Albin
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Bellingham, WA
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I've been waiting for 4 years to read an indepth article about the events of 3 oct. The armor unit arrived approx
3 weeks later from the 24th ID (mech) part of the RDF. The Air Force airlifted a QRF to Mog in less than 48 hours when the word was given for the armor unit to go. So, It could have been there. Great stuff, waiting for the book and PBS show. Will there be more helicopter video tape on the TV show?
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Mark Bowden
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Thanks. Yes, there's more helicopter video in the film, but not a lot. The vast majority of it remains classified. The book will be out in October (Atlantic Monthly Press) and you can order the documentary (along with a reprint of the series and a CD-ROM of this website) at 1-800-440-1470, or through this Web site.
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George
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Scottsdale, AZ
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Mark, I really appreciated your acount of the 3-4 Oct
mission. I was the first Liaison Officer from the QRF to
work with TF Ranger. 1LT Breen (he commented on Round 15)
worked with me. Excellent accounting but I hope there will
be more on the TF Ranger, QRF (Ft Drum) and UN relationships
and involvement. I wish all those who served the very best;
for they are all heros. Please contact me at
www.lablonde.com (attn: George) or (602) 563-5333. A
special hello to TF 160th.
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Thanks, George. I'll be in touch.
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Just finished leaving the msn chat room: "armed forces
chat" and told everyone there to check out your web site
"blackhawk down". Again, thank you for an excellent series
of articles. I hope that you continue to have much success
as a responsible journalist.
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Mark Bowden
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Thanks, and thanks for the plug.
MB
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1Lt Carol Kanode
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Extremely engrossing text; read it for hours on end. Glad your telling this story. In chapter 28, you mentioned John Macejunas who wore civilian clothes to search for his fellow D-boys. Will you elaberate on this event in your book? Have you spoken to him?
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Mark Bowden
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Thanks, Carol. I have not, unfortunately, had a chance to speak to the amazing Mace, but hope to. There will be more about him in the book ... a legendary figure.
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J. Grierson
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St. Gallen, Switzerland
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Congratulations. Incredible story, well told. Has anyone explored, or will you, why the extensive US military and civilian experience in Somalia was not drawn upon to better "know thy enemy"?
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Mark Bowden
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Thanks. I'm not too good on the "why didn't they...?" school of questions, but it's a good question and a discussion I hope my story prompts.
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Ken Kasprisin
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Mark - reference the U.S. APCs and ACEs. There were 4 APCs
and two ACEs (Armored Combat Earthmovers) from the 317th EN
BN(CBT)in Mogadishu for about two weeks prior to the Oct
Ranger/Delta mission. The APCs had three .50 cal MGs and
one M-19. That platoon also had two .50 cal sniper rifles.
Again the question - Why wasn't the only U.S. mechanized
force in country used in the rescue operation?
Thanks,
Ken
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Mark Bowden
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Thanks for the information, Ken, and, again, I don't know the answer. I know that Garrison and Montgomery, after reaching out to the Malaysians and Pakistanis for APCs and tanks, approached Indian troops who began moving tanks to Mogadishu in the event they were needed (they weren't). I would suppose that if American assets were nearby, they would have employed them. They didn't. I'll ask around when I get the chance.
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Andy Tillman
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Dear Mark, I was the small arms editor for International Defense Review, the monthly magazine of the Janes Information Group for 15 years. A couple of quick corrections. The CAR-15 is a semi automatic rifle for civilian market. You probably mean an M-4, an M-16A2 with 14 inch barrel. The MP5-K is a sub machine gun with short 5 inch barrel, not "an automatic rifle." as described in chapter 8. Issued to Task Force 160 flight crews with "Navy" sound suppressor (silencer). Worn on lower leg with two spare magazines. Wonder if Durant used his MP5K with suppressor. The 40mm Mk 19 grenade does not penetrate two inches of steel and then explode as you say in chapter 15. It explodes and then penetrates steel with a shaped charge jet of high velocity plasma same as an RPG round. Unlike the RPG it also has anti personnel fragments. I am the only journalist to test fire the Mk19 with live ammo. Can send you test report on this and MP5K if you are interested. In glossary some mistakes: AK-47's are really AKM. No need to repeat this often mistaken identity. AK-47's were replaced by AKM with stamped receivers 25 years ago. A lot lighter. SAW fires 5.56mm ammo same as M-16. TOW
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Mark Bowden
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Thanks, Andy. I appreciate the corrections. As for the CAR-15, I have relied on the Delta soldiers and Rangers for descriptions of the weapons they carried. The Delta guys, in particular, seem extremely knowledgable about their weapons, and some told me they carried a CAR-15. Peter Squeglia, who was company armorer for the Rangers, also told me he carried a CAR-15.
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Jim Dunn
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Fremont Ca
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The San Jose Mercury News started running this story in
their paper yesterday Jan 2 1998,and will run it for the
rest of the month.It really has got my attention.Then I
came to this web site with the videos,etc..I saw that it
may be broadcast nationally in the future.Do you know when
that might be?
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Mark Bowden
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Glad to see the story running out your way, Jim. We still have no national air date for the documentary. You can, however, order a copy of the complete series, the videotape and a CD-ROM of this Web site by placing on order on the BHD home page, or calling 1-800-440-1470. BHD will be published as book, with about three times as much material, by Atlantic Monthly Press in October, 1998.
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Richard Smith
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San Luis Obispo
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The Black Caucus was awfully quiet following this disaster. Did any of them offer comments afterward?
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Mark Bowden
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I am not aware of the Black Caucus in particular taking a position on the events in Somalia.
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Bill
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C'ville VA
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Mark, Re awards: Was CWO Mike Durant ever awarded the POW Medal? He came to talk to the SERE instructors and students while I was the CO there, but I still had no authority to give him that medal, which I felt (and still do) he earned during his captivity. So, has he gotten it yet? Is it in the works? Has this been forgotten? Maybe your brillant series will remind the chain of command that we still owe Mike something. DOL/RLTW
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Mark Bowden
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Thanks, Bill. As I understand it, what happened in Mogadishu has not been officially recognized as "war," so it is not possible to recognize Durant as a prisoner of war. There are international legal questions that arise when war is officially declared. Along similar lines, I talked to a soldier the other day who served with the 2-14 10th Mt. Division in Mogadishu who is trying to get his county in upstate New York to recognize his service in Mogadishu 10/3-4 as "combat," because the local tax laws give a substantial break to veterans of combat. That, too, is still up in the air. I told him if the local tax officials doubted 10/3-4 was "combat," he should have them read this story.
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A.S.
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Stillwater MN.
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MB.......I just say your article for the first time in the
the Pioneer Press. I went to your this site asap to read the
rest. I was very enlightened I guess you could call it. I
leave for Ft. Benning Ga, Where I'm persuing to be a
ranger. In your opinion are rangers to young? I myself am
19. Everything can't always go perfect in missions of this
sort, but should this be more of a operation for the more
experience like Delta Force?
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Mark Bowden
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I'm glad you got a chance to see the story. I think Rangers are exactly the right age. It takes very young men to do what they ask. But you should go with your eyes open. If you've read this story, you have a clear idea of what might be asked of you. As for this mission, it was conceived primarily as a Delta mission. The Rangers were a vital part of it, but in a supporting role. I think any questions about what happened in Mogadishu reolve around the terrible situation these guys were placed in, not their heroism, performance or age. Good luck and Godspeed.
MB
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jan reber
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southport, ct
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Great series--well researched, well written, and the web presentation is well executed. thanks
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Mark Bowden
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Thank you, Jan.
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CPT Anthony Zeruto
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Vicenza, Italy
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I am the BN S2 for 1-508th Airborne Battalion Combat Team, Europe's rapid reaction force. I would like a copy of the PBS special that recently aired. I will pay for tape, shipping and handling. You've produced an exceptional account of the leadership challenges faced by all involved.
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Mark Bowden
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Thank you, Captain. You can order a copy of the tape, CD-ROM and a reprint of the series on this Web site, or by calling 1-800-440-1470.
Chow,
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rick
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watsonville,ca.
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why was there any artillery support or a reactionary force.
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Mark Bowden
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As I understand it, artillery would have caused too much collateral damage, and there was a reaction force, the 10th Mt. Division, which ultimately pulled TFR out.
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Joe P Fehr
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St Paul Park MN
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Sir:
I read your series Blackhawk Down and was very impressed.
Your article is the finest example of good writing and
reporting. I thank you.
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Mark Bowden
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Thanks, Joe.
MB
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Pat Barrett
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Difficult to get on your Web Site...suggest you contact
Sun Microsystems to purchase a scalable Web Server to
insure others don't experience this difficulty
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Mark Bowden
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Sorry if you've had trouble. Jen, our online genie, says that if you'd like to make a late Christmas present of a Sun webserver, they'd accept it.
MB
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jharrold@sjm.infi.net
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S.F. CA
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Just a comment; I'm sure you've read "Hazardous Duty"
by Hackworth; just wanted to recommend his commery in
the slight chance you'd missed it; quite relevant to
your article.
John
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